So TNA's dead

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Mon-28-Jul-2014 20:19:11 · 1,762 comments
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Spike have decided not to renew the contract. Dixie is, of course, trying to suggest that negotiations are ongoing and an email to Spike about it was thrown back with a generic "we don't discuss ongoing negotiations," but how much that actually means isn't clear.

But it's not a good sign. Even if talks aren't over, they still haven't come to a deal yet. Spike told TNA never to work with Russo again and they did, Spike aren't happy. And if WWE struggled to get offers only a few months ago, TNA are going to find it a hell of a lot harder to get anything that will allow them to keep running the same shows they are now. This looks like the end of the line.

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Mon-28-Jul-2014 20:36:06 · 5,103 comments
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Not surprised at all.

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Mon-28-Jul-2014 20:54:45 · 1,774 comments
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Why didn't spike want russo attached to tna?

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Mon-28-Jul-2014 21:32:57 · 447 comments
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Yeah I didn't know there was heat between Spike and Russo. 

I suppose this was coming, but it's still sad.  Thinking of TNA 10 years ago in 2004-2005, and seeing it now, it's just wow.

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Mon-28-Jul-2014 21:49:08 · 1,175 comments
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That kinda sucks all around really.. i don't watch TNA at all but i still vividly remember how things kinda got shitty when ECW and WCW went under in late 2000/01 i know neither went under in 2000 but it was writing on the wall...

I'm guessing since nobody else wanted wwe a few months ago that TNA will be very lucky to find a new network.. i guess i'm kinda starting to repeat chux a little bit there.. but he is right.... i'm kinda concerned overall with wrestling as a whole these days... it really isn't what it use to be... people still dislike it and wwe still does shit that makes me cringe when i watch show with friends or my girlfriend....

I guess i'll miss tna... some good memories but most of them are ten years old.

This guy can do the honors.


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Mon-28-Jul-2014 22:27:36 · 685 comments
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Mr Hilds wrote

Why didn't spike want russo attached to tna?

He got the blame for the shit storylines and falling tv ratings. Spike also want no part of man on woman violence which he has done in the past. It doesn't help that

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Mon-28-Jul-2014 23:13:22 · 1,762 comments
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Mr Hilds wrote

Why didn't spike want russo attached to tna?

Would you? 😄

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Sat-2-Aug-2014 19:04:29 · 685 comments
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I wouldn't mind if TNA went under, as long as Spike replaces them with another wrestling show. You can only give someone so many chances to improve, prosper, whatever you want to call it. The equivocal glass ceiling everyone seems to talk about, TNA have hit it. They have now tried everything to improve and its failed.

The decline of PPV buys. PPV was a growing business that peaked around 2010. Since then they have rarely managed to attract over 10,000 buys per show. The cut down to 4 PPV's and air pre-recorded unique specials is a cheaper alternative but a lower brand of entertainment.

The hiring of former wrestling stars like Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Jeff Hardy & Eric Bischoff. This gave them an immediate spike in TV ratings that plateaued for a while before decreasing back down to the 1 million mark.

Moving to Monday nights to compete with RAW. A ratings crush that turned viewers off and swiftly moved back to Thursday nights.

Taking Impact on the road. Live Impact is what the show needed and it was good to get out of the Impact Zone to see real crowds. But the cost to put the shows on and the crowds not being as large as expected, left TNA with a huge financial problem.

Rebranding TNA. Going from TNA to Impact Wrestling half-heartedly left everyone even more confused. Is the show called Impact Wrestling or the whole promotion, because they're still using the TNA logo. It was never fully explained and never worked.

Getting a developmental system. TNA used OVW as a developmental system to train up more wrestlers from their Gut Check show. The only one who is still employed from all of the winners is Sam Shaw.

A rotating door of bookers. From Jarrett to Jarrett to Dusty to Russo to Cornette to Mantell to Russo to Bischoff to Hogan to Russo to Prichard to Gaburick to Russo (secretly). Its a long list of writers who have tried to light a spark and others who are not qualified to own a lighter. Whatever their stance, they can't do much because there is always someone else trying to pull the show in a different direction.

CC of WWE. Copying storylines, copying charachters, following the same pattern of a show. Raw starts with a 15 minute promo, Impact starts with a 15 minutes promo. It just comes off as a diluted interpretation of sports entertainment that's done better elsewhere.

Offloading TNA. They secretly tried to sell it and let someone else try to take it to new heights but no-one wanted it when Dixie staying employed in the company was a caveat.


Dixie bought a stake in TNA because she saw it as an industry with one entity and no competition. She bought a wrestling promotion so she could take a slice of the pie. Its smart but she's never learned the wrestling business and relies on others who tell her what's the right thing to do. History shows that every promotion that has had notable success was overseen by someone who has been around the wrestling business prior to running the company.

Mid South/UWF - Bill Watts, former wrestler who learned from Leroy McGuirk
WCCW - Fritz Von Erich, former wrestler.
CWF - Eddie Graham, former wrestler
ECW - Paul Heyman, former manager & commentator who learned from Kevin Sullivan & Eddie Gilbert
WCW - Eric Bischoff, former commentator & interviewer who learned from Verne Gagne
WWF/E - Vince McMahon, former commentator & ring announcer who learned from his father.

TNA has to be credited for staying afloat for a good 12 years, how much is from their own earnings or what Panda Energy pump in (as a tax write-off) to keep them going will probably never be revealed. But it is an alternative that has had its highs and lows throughout the years. At the moment its just there. Unless there is a new significant financial backer with a fresh plan to wipe everything clean and start again from scratch then there isn't really a way forward for TNA.

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Sat-2-Aug-2014 22:40:17 · 1,762 comments
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There's no room for progression as long as Dixie is in charge, sure. I don't think they necessarily have to kill the company and start again, all you need to do is start putting on a good product and word will eventually spread. These New York tapings have been really good, I have no idea why this isn't what TNA has been for the last few years.

They need to get away from Russo, heel factions, spending way over the odds for name value. All of those things come from Dixie. TNA was on the verge of being sold earlier this year until the Carters demanded that they'd only sell if the new owners would keep Dixie on as part of the management and as an on-air character. The sale fell through, shocker.

So if Dixie is going to be forever linked to TNA you may as well kill it, but I don't think it's the only way. You can start doing things the right way today and things will start to improve. Plus that way you get the benefit of a decade of history and tape library.

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Sun-3-Aug-2014 11:58:05 · 685 comments
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chux4w wrote

There's no room for progression as long as Dixie is in charge, sure. I don't think they necessarily have to kill the company and start again, all you need to do is start putting on a good product and word will eventually spread. These New York tapings have been really good, I have no idea why this isn't what TNA has been for the last few years.

The New York tapings were there to show ambition to Spike that they were going to try and improve Impact. They can't do them all the time because of the expenditure. I thought the first two were poor because there were too many long winded promo's, ECW revivalist rubbish and bland matches. The last one centred around Destination X was much better. It still had a 10 minute Dixie promo and a 10 minute ECW promo but I skip all that anyway.

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So if Dixie is going to be forever linked to TNA you may as well kill it, but I don't think it's the only way. You can start doing things the right way today and things will start to improve. Plus that way you get the benefit of a decade of history and tape library.

You could probably fill one DVD with TNA's best matches. Then everything else would be TNA's Worst Gimmicks, TNA's Dumbest Storylines, Did they really do that in TNA?

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Fri-8-Aug-2014 03:55:44 · 105 comments
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Fantasy situation but...

If Heyman bought and booked TNA..and was given a year by SpikeTV to turn it around..does he do it?

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Fri-8-Aug-2014 08:18:14 · 1,774 comments
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mordy wrote

Fantasy situation but...

If Heyman bought and booked TNA..and was given a year by SpikeTV to turn it around..does he do it?

If spike don't want russo because he puts women thru tables, then how would they react to heyman?

I can't see any channel taking on an ecw type show these days, and I'm not sure if heyman can do anything but ecw.

So, it would be a waste of time and money on both their parts.

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Fri-8-Aug-2014 19:29:14 · 685 comments
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Mr Hilds wrote
mordy wrote

Fantasy situation but...

If Heyman bought and booked TNA..and was given a year by SpikeTV to turn it around..does he do it?

If spike don't want russo because he puts women thru tables, then how would they react to heyman?

I can't see any channel taking on an ecw type show these days, and I'm not sure if heyman can do anything but ecw.

So, it would be a waste of time and money on both their parts.

Smackdown 2002 & OVW 2005 he booked with little extreme violence. TNA wanted Heyman to join the creative team in 2010 but Heyman wanted complete control of writing & talent but they wouldn't go for it.

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Fri-8-Aug-2014 22:05:55 · 1,762 comments
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mordy wrote

Fantasy situation but...

If Heyman bought and booked TNA..and was given a year by SpikeTV to turn it around..does he do it?

Depends what Spike would mean by turning it around. He could do a lot of good and make a lot of progress, but he's not going to work miracles. TNA has a terrible reputation and most fans have decided to never go back to it because it's beyond repair. It'll take consistency to win people over, and it may not happen for years. After a year in charge I'm sure he'd be able to put on good TV shows and make things matter more than they do right now, but the company still has no money and Heyman isn't known for his shrewd financing.

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